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Pindar Cave
Time: 6 hrs Walking time
Includes the time for the return leg
Please allow extra time to rest and to explore
10.8 km SW of Gosford
Length: 11.5 km Walk Length
As this is a return style walk, the 11.5 km includes the return leg of this walk (ie back to the start)
Brisbane Water National Park
Climb: 493 m Total Climbing
This walk has a total cumulative climb of 493 m, this is the total of the elevation gains made in each of the walks uphill sections
There is NO car access to start or end of this walk There is a train station near the start and end of this walk
Style: Return
Route: Hard

This great walk goes to some amazing places. Pindar Lookout, Pool and Cave are the greatest features of the walk, with each feature deserving of its own unique track. The walk takes off from the tiny Wondabyne Station to climb onto the plateau and continues along the ridge line to Mt Pindar. The walk passes over rocky terrain with many spider webs across the track. Unless you come by water, the only access is by train, you cannot drive to the start of this walk. (open in app)

This walk passes through a remote area and sections have no visible track. At least one person in your group should have training and experience in off track walking and navigation. Even with these notes and a GPS these extra skills and equipment are required.
Today's Fire rating
LOW MODERATE (No fire ban)
  Bushwalking track notes photographs, maps and camping spots for Pindar Cave

Map of Walk

Location

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Wondabyne Station
Clearing above Wondabyne Station
Int. Rifle Range Service Track and Pindar Cave Track
Mt Pindar Lookout
Pool
Pindar Cave
Starting point for this hiking track: Clearing above Wondabyne Station

Base maps are used under licence and is © Department of lands   Panorama Avenue Bathurst 2795   www.lands.nsw.gov.au

Maps that cover the walk area (please always carry maps of the area)

Print a map and track notes here
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Photo Gallery

 
Wondabyne Station
 
Wondabyne Station +
 
Public Pontoon, Wondabyne Station
 
Public Pontoon, Wondabyne Station +
 
Wondabyne Quarry
 
Wondabyne Quarry +

 
Service Track
 
Service Track +
 
Pindar Cave Track Intersection
 
Pindar Cave Track Intersection +
 
Pindar Cave Track
 
Pindar Cave Track +

 
Birds of prey above Pindar Cave Track
 
Birds of prey above Pindar Cave Track +
 
Mt Pindar Lookout
 
Mt Pindar Lookout +
 
Tree
 
Tree +

 
Pindar Pool
 
Pindar Pool +
 
Pindar Cave hidden behind trees
 
Pindar Cave hidden behind trees +
 
Pindar Cave
 
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Terrain


Please note: This is a 'return' style walk and therefore these graphs only show the terrain for the first half of the walk (until the turn around point.)

Cross sectional view of the Pindar Cave bushwalking track

Cross Section of the Pindar Cave bushwalking track



Analysis and summary of the altitude variation on the Pindar Cave bushwalking track

Summary of the gradients over the the lenght of the Pindar Cave bushwalking track

Overview of this walks Grading - Based on the AS 2156.1 - 2001
These details are new. This new feature still requires more testing and refining. Please use the 'Walker Feedback' for report specific issues. Please e-mail Matt if you have any general comments. Hope you find it helpful.

Under this standard, a walk is graded based on the most difficult section of the walk.
Length 12km
Time 6 hrs
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Grade 5/6

Route: Hard
AS 2156.1 Gradient Very steep (4/6)
Quality of track Rough unclear track (5/6)
Signs No directional signs (5/6)
Experience Required Moderate level of bushwalking experience recommended (4/6)
Weather Weather generally has little impact on safety (1/6)
Infrastructure Limited facilities (such as cliffs not fenced, significant creeks not bridged) (4/6)
*This summary of grading information is new and still in testing

Some more detail of this walks Grading
Here is a bit more details explaining the grading looking at sections of the walk.
Gradient
Around 5km of this walk is very steep, whilst the remaining 320m has short steep hills.

Quality of track
3.5km of this walk follows a rough track, where fallen trees and other obstacles are likely and another 1km follows a clear and well formed track or trail. Whilst another 800m follows a rough unclear track and the remaining 440m follows a formed track, with some branches and other obstacles.

Signs
3.5km of this walk has minimal directional signs and another 1.5km has directional signs at most intersection. The remaining (800m) Has no directional signs.

Experience Required
4.5km of this walk requires some bushwalking experience and another 800m requires a leader a with moderate level of bushwalking experience. The remaining (440m) requires no previous bushwalking experience.

Weather
This whole walk, 6km is not usually affected by severe weather events (that would unexpectedly impact safety and navigation).

Infrastructure
4.3km of this walk has limited facilities (such as cliffs not fenced, significant creeks not bridged) and another 1km has limited facilities (such as not all cliffs fenced). The remaining (440m) is close to useful facilities (such as fenced cliffs and seats).

Track Notes


Since this is a 'return' style walk once you have had enough of the walk, turn around and retrace your steps back to the start.
Catch the train to Wondabyne Station
Public transport (train) available to this Bushwalk Check out the facilities at Wondabyne Station
You can phone 131500 (the transport info line) for up to date running times.
Use these links to plan your train trip to the end of the walk.
Plan your trip from --> Castle Hill|Chatswood|Dural|Epping|Gosford|Hornsby|Katoomba|Manly|Parramatta|Penrith|Strathfield|Sutherland|Sydney|
Wondabyne Alt = 12 m
Wondabyne is situated in Brisbane Waters National Park on the banks of Mullet River, which feeds into the Hawkesbury River north of Brooklyn. The area is defined by the National Park's flora and fauna, the quarry, railway station and a few houses sitting above the water around the river. The quarry produced sandstone building materials, used in the construction of the National War Memorial in Canberra. More recently, in 2000, the quarry was re-opened for restoration of St Mary's Cathedral spire in Sydney. Wondabyne Station, named after the nearby Mt Wondabyne, was built in 1889 and exclusively used for the quarry - it was then known as Mullet Creek Station. The station is one of the smallest on the line and one of very few railway stations in a NSW National Park. When you catch the train to Wondabyne, let the guard know you want to get off at Wondabyne Station, otherwise the train will not stop. Travel in the last carriage as the platform is very short. To catch the train from Wondabyne, wave to the driver.

(0 km) Wondabyne Station to Clearing above Wondabyne Station
Track: Hard - bushtrack
Length = 441 m Time = 13 mins
Climb = 100 m Descent = -15 m
From the north-bound platform of Wondabyne Station, this walk follows the 'The Great North Walk' sign[1] off the southern the end of the platform[2], keeping the train lines (and water) to your left. The track soon leads past a strangler fig[3] and a large boulder[4] then bends right and heads up a timber staircase[5] with a metal landing at the top. The track winds steeply uphill, up a series of timber[6] and rock steps[7] for just over 200m to pass a filtered view of the cranes[8] (right), down at the old Gosford Quarry. Here the walk continues a bit more steeply uphill for another 150m, up a series of rock steps[9], and then, soon after passing up the carved steps in a cleft in a rock[10], the track flattens out[11] and comes to a clearing at the end of a management trail[12], marked with a 'Brisbane Water National Park' sign[13].

(0.44 km) Clearing above Wondabyne Station to Eastern end of the Pindar Cave Track
Track: Hard - servicetrail
Length = 1.03 km Time = 19 mins
Climb = 72 m Descent = -3 m
Continue straight: From the clearing[14], this walk follows the wide management trail uphill past the 'Brisbane Water National Park' sign[15]. The trail leads up quite steeply[16] for about 250m, where the trail bends right then leads gently uphill[17] for about 600m. Here the trail leads up a short but quite steep hill[18], to then bend left and, about 150m later, come to an intersection with the Pindar Cave track (that leads over a rock platform[19], on your left), marked with a GNW arrow post[20] (on your right).

(1.47 km) Int. Rifle Range Service Track and Pindar Cave Track to Mt Pindar Lookout
Track: Hard - bushtrack
Length = 3.5 km Time = 1 hr 12 mins
Climb = 129 m Descent = -129 m
Turn left: From the intersection, this walk follows the wide track to the west, keeping the large rocky outcrop to the right. The trail soon narrows to become an overgrown track and undulates for some time, through some rocky and dense scrub. Eventually, the track swings around to the north and arrives at the Mt Pindar Lookout, indicated by arrows marked in the surface that lead to the lookout, with views of Mooney Mooney, and Mooney Mooney Creek.

Mt Pindar lookout Alt = 159 m
From the rocky perch of Mt Pindar, Brisbane Waters National Park, you can enjoy views over Mullet Creek, Dangar Island and the Hawkesbery River. This is an informal lookout, with no fencing or other facilities.

(4.97 km) Mt Pindar Lookout to Pool
Route: Hard - bushtrack
Length = 483 m Time = 9 mins
Climb = 2 m Descent = -25 m
Turn right: From the lookout, the walk follows the bush track north, around the edge of the ridge around a few rocks. The track then descends north-west into the valley below, continuing through areas of thick vegetation, until emerging onto a small clearing next to a pool of water.

Pindar Pool Alt = 139 m
The pool between Mt Pindar and Pindar Cave is an ephemeral (short-lived, unreliable) waterhole. The pool is a refreshing place for a swim when full, with many birds enjoying the area too. The pool is a 10m by 5m tub which is quite deep. Being ephemeral, it is not always full of water.

(5.45 km) Pool to Pindar Cave
Route: Hard - bushtrack
Length = 315 m Time = 6 mins
Climb = 12 m Descent = -6 m
Turn left: From the pool, the walk follows the bush track west, into a small sandy clearing. The track then turns right, below a rocky outcrop on the left, and follows the rocky outcrop for approximately 100m to the large overhang of rock, Pindar Cave.

Pindar Cave Alt = 146 m
Pindar Cave, Brisbane Waters National Park, is a large expanse of overhanging rock. The cave is made by a sandstone overhang of 15m, which spans approximately 50m along the hillside. The floor of the cave is a good spot for a sleep, while the roof of the cave is black from many campfires. Access to water is relatively good, however the waterfall and nearby pool are ephemeral (transient) streams with irregular and unreliable water patterns.

(5.77 km) Pindar Cave to Waterfall
Optional sidetrip: Route: Unmanaged - bushtrack
Length = 567 m Time = 12 mins
Climb = 10 m Descent = -57 m
Continue straight: From Pindar Cave, this walk heads north-west, parallel to a rocky outcrop. After following the cliff line for a little while, the track bends slightly to the right, and heads north-west, crossing several rocky outcrops, going down towards the creek line. The track then drops down some rockshelves to the waterfall.

Pindar Waterfall Alt = 96 m
Pindar Waterfall, Brisbane Waters National Park, is a rocky outcrop from which a vegetation enclosed stream runs over and through. The waterfall is not a picturesque spot, with the water running through dense vegetation and cracks in the boulders to pools out-of-sight. The waterfall is fed by an ephemeral stream which will does not guarantee it as a source of water. From the rocky outcrop of the waterfall, views over the valley below can be observed.

Catch the train from Wondabyne Station
Public transport (train) available from this Bushwalk Check out the facilities at Wondabyne Station
You can phone 131500 (the transport info line) for up to date running times.
Use these links to plan your train trip from the end of the walk.
Plan your trip to --> Castle Hill|Chatswood|Dural|Epping|Gosford|Hornsby|Katoomba|Manly|Parramatta|Penrith|Strathfield|Sutherland|Sydney|

Getting there

Plan your trip to the start of the walk and back from the end of the walk

Public Transport links currently not working, sorry
Public Transport Timetables

To the start of the walk

From
Castle Hill
Chatswood
Dural
Epping
Gosford
Hornsby
Katoomba
Manly
Parramatta
Penrith
Strathfield
Sutherland
Sydney
From the end of the walk

To
Castle Hill
Chatswood
Dural
Epping
Gosford
Hornsby
Katoomba
Manly
Parramatta
Penrith
Strathfield
Sutherland
Sydney


Near by



Nearest know Outdoor Stores near the start of this walk
Store Address Phone Distance (straight line)
Mannings Sports 172 Mann St , Gosford (02) 4325 1617 10.8 km
BCF Australia Pty Ltd 354 Manns Rd , Gosford West (02) 4322 5833 11.1 km
Camping World Shop 18, 482 Pacific Hwy, Wyoming (02) 4324 6515 12.7 km
Boots Great Outdoors 201 The Entrance Rd , Erina (02) 4367 0396 13.3 km
Paddlecraft 3B / 1714 Pittwater Road, Bayview 02 9997 8015 19 km


A list of the nearest UHF CB repeaters I found to Pindar Cave.
Channel Call sign
(more info)
Site Distance and dir from Pindar Cave
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8 MDC08 Gencom Site Lot 6 Wakefield Close KARIONG 7 km (to the NNE)
6 VMB7 CB Repeater Site 16 Alan Rd BEROWRA HEIGHTS 17 km (to the SW)
3 VMB2 Tower Street BATEAU BAY 23 km (to the ENE)
5 SYD05 Sydney Adventist Hospital 185 Fox Valley Rd WAHROONGA
Emergency use only
31 km (to the SSW)
7 SYD07 7 Glamorgan St BLACKTOWN 46 km (to the SW)

Weather and Park info

Fire Danger
This walk passes Greater Sydney Region fire area which currently has a LOW MODERATE rating and No fire ban in place.
(Tomorrow the Fire Danger Rating is LOW MODERATE, No fire ban.) (Downloaded 3 years ago)
Please Note: Each park may have its own fire ban, this rating is only valid for today and is based on information from the RFS Please check the RFS Website for more information.

Weather and Climate
Weather and Climate summary detailed weather and climate information here
°C (feels like °)
km/h from the
% humidity     (as at )
Wed      30°Showers. Likely storm developing.
Thu19°|26°Possible shower.
Fri18°|31°Partly cloudy.
Sat17°|25°Possible late shower.
A graph displaying the average daily temperature range for the year

Brisbane Water National Park Link to official closures and fire bans page
Brisbane Waters National Park is situated south west of Gosford perched on the Hawkesbury River. The park is characterised by sandstone features, Aboriginal engravings, flowery heaths, bird life and spectacular water views. Brisbane Waters NP has many bushwalks through the are with the Great North Walk passing through the middle of the park.
Region: Sydney & Surrounds
Park fees Camping Facilities I am not aware of any closures in this park at the moment.

Walker Feedback

Comments
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WalkingMonkeys - No car access IP:203.214.30.xxx | 2009-08-01 23:31:49
Note you must catch the train to start of walk, there is no car access
WalkingMonkeys - WalkingMonkeys IP:202.146.8.xxx | 2009-08-10 02:46:00
...and when catching the train, you must sit in the LAST carriage and tell the guard you want to stop here - otherwise the train doesn't stop!
sue IP:120.152.86.xxx | 2010-01-01 02:08:38
Be careful not to miss the turn off from the service trail. There is a large flat rock at an intersection with a Great north walk sign pointing straight ahead, you need to turn left at this intersection, but there are no signs. Also, wear long trousers and long sleeves, the track becomes extremely narrow, more a bush bash than a bush track, and you will get very scratched with bare limbs.
Rob - Allow additional time IP:202.50.160.xxx | 2010-01-04 06:38:34
This track has not been maintained for some time and now suffers from moderate to heavy overgrowth in many parts. As Sue recommends, keep limbs covered and if there has been recent rain expect to get very wet! A return trip time of 4½ hours is no longer realistic. More like 6 hours.
admin - re: Super Administrator | 2010-01-04 22:59:47
sue wrote:
Be careful not to miss the turn off from the service trail.

Hi Sue and Rob
Thanks for the feedback. I have updated the track notes to try to make the turn off clearer. Sounds like the track has become quiet over grown, it is not a well used track. I have also update the time as per Rob's suggestions.
Thanks

Matt :)
Rob - re: Allow additional time IP:203.219.48.xxx | 2010-06-05 14:45:02
Rob wrote:
This track has not been maintained for some time and now suffers from moderate to heavy overgrowth in many parts. As Sue recommends, keep limbs covered and if there has been recent rain expect to get very wet! A return trip time of 4½ hours is no longer realistic. More like 6 hours.


Seriously, I don't know how it can take 6hrs for the return trip. I've done this hike plenty of times, even with with Scouts. Its at least 1-1/2hr each way.
FruitLoops - Track update IP:115.70.62.xxx | 2010-07-05 10:39:06
Walked the track this morning as far as the cave.
Found track conditions mostly light going with a few short sections of moderate overgrowth.
Track had a few divergences, but mostly main route marked by rock stacks and unproductive offshoots had sticks or branches laid across junction. Near beginning of single foot track section a bit of a climb can be avoided by casting around and finding an easier going slight detour (and like wise further along track when a climb seems imminent).
In the area of cave many confusing minor tracks. Care needs to be taken when picking up track for return journey.
Maintenance performed on track and overgrowth can now be described as light.
The above estimate of 1&1/2hrs each way to cave is achievable, but at a vigorous fast march or scamper.
David Bofinger - The Waterfall's Great IP:114.77.212.xxx | 2010-07-17 11:58:59
The track notes say the waterfall is uninteresting because vegetation stops you getting to see it. That might be true if you're looking at the top of the waterfall but if you go down to the bottom you get quite a good view (of an admittedly modest cascade). Take the track down until you can hear the falls (assuming there's any water) and march to the sound of the guns. We turned right around and then below a rocky outcrop, bush bashed down to a tiny waterfall and walked around under the rock overhang to the medium-sized one. We left a few rock piles to show the way but not many.

I think the whole walk took us about five hours.

We had uncovered arms and I got slightly scratched but not too bad. Front person can get very wet if there's water on the leaves.
AlanM - Fun Walk IP:125.254.75.xxx | 2010-11-25 23:47:54
I did the walk in 3.5hours, taking it easy and stopping to take video. (I'm 62 with bad knees!)

The track was a bit overgrown and on a few occasions hard to follow, so need to keep eyes open.

Well worth the effort of the climb out of Wondabyne.

Video of the walk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq15MVKNzDw
John - Swimming in the Pool IP:202.58.230.xxx | 2010-12-30 03:59:02
Is the pool suitable to swim in? What are the risks, to manage?
admin - re: Swimming in the Pool Super Administrator | 2010-12-30 04:10:32
John wrote:
Is the pool suitable to swim in? What are the risks, to manage?

Not really a good place to swim, the waterhole is fairly small, and has vegetation growing in it (at least when I was there). Here are a couple of photos of the spot so you can decide for your self
http://www.wildwalks.com/i.html?image_id=19773
Hope that helps
Matt :)
ColinM - Pool (water in the area) IP:121.44.161.xxx | 2011-01-01 07:25:18
It's been a wet couple of years, but it is probably worth noting that the water is not permanent. I've seen that pool completely dry a couple of years back, and IIRC the cave drips (provided by some shallow dams excavated on the overhang) were sparse. Should be ok for the first half of 2011, but there are no guarantees, of course.
Bruce - Track somewhat overgrown IP:202.59.16.xxx | 2011-04-12 04:22:51
Went on this hike last weekend with my 12year old boys. They had a great time but found it a bit challenging as we lost the track at a couple of points. The pool was full still but didn't look inviting. Next time I will wear long pants as my shins got a bit cut up.
Andrew & Debbie - Need sign to mark Trail off se IP:124.171.52.xxx | 2011-05-26 10:23:15
Went on this walk on Monday 23rd May and found you do need to allow the 6 hours. If you want to run both ways then go for it and do it in 3 hours. We did miss the trail from the service track but doubled back and found it reading the book carefully. A sign marking this trail would be ideal "Pindar Point" "Pindar Cave""Pindar Lookout" something like that. We had lunch at the lookout and really enjoyed the view and the weather was ideal for walking.This is probably the most challanging walk we have done from the book. The cave and pond was good to see. Pond is full at the moment. When coming back over the large rock flat areas look out for the ribbons tied to the bushes marking the track. Also fluro tape on trees. These helped to find the track when you lost your way. Also seeing the little piles of rocks was good so you knew you were on the right course. We started the walk at 9.45am and made the 3.53pm train. Mine you we did walk a km when we missed the trail.
admin - re: Need sign to mark Trail of Super Administrator | 2011-05-26 11:19:26
Andrew & Debbie wrote:
Went on this walk on Monday 23rd May and found you do need to allow the 6 hours.......

Hi Andrew & Debbie
Thanks for the feedback, sounds like you are enjoying the book and the walks. I don't think this walk will be signposted in the near future, this walk is not on the NPWS plan of management and therefore there is no funding to maintain the track. Glad the notes help you find the turn off and visit a special spot in the park.
Happy walking
Matt :)
A, N & N - Track quite overgrown IP:203.13.128.xxx | 2012-04-19 05:17:34
Happy to have stumbled onto this site, before we went on this walk on Saturday. Thanks for a great job on this site!

I'd allow plenty of time for this walk, more so because the trail is overgrown, & at times you can't find the trail easily.

Forgetful as always, we left the map printed off at home, walked 2.5km further before we realised we should have turned left at the clearing. Fairly difficult trail from 3km onwards to the cave. Saw a huge iguana loitering near the cave. One of us cooled off in the frigid pond pond on our way back. We made a whole day of it. Missed the 3pm train by seconds, so jumped in for a quick swim off the wharf at Wondabyne. Was a beautiful day for a great walk.
DD - Great walk IP:121.216.247.xxx | 2012-09-13 08:11:16
Walked the track last weekend with a group of 5 adults and 7 children. Camped overnight in the cave which was great. Conditions are very dry although still water in the pool but not much running in the creek.

Saw a few Ranger led walkers on the track doing day hikes.

Track quite overgrown but not too bad. Walked in at a leisurely 2 hrs 45 mins and out in 2 hours flat.

A great walk and a great website.
me - Iguana? IP:220.233.10.xxx | 2012-09-22 01:49:33
A, N & N wrote:
Fairly difficult trail from 3km onwards to the cave. Saw a huge iguana loitering near the cave. We made a whole day of it. Missed the 3pm train by seconds, so jumped in for a quick swim off the wharf at Wondabyne. Was a beautiful day for a great walk.


Iguana? A lizard native to tropical areas of Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean.

If I may say, you more likely saw an Eastern Water Dragon.

The swim at the end sounds like fun.
Paul M IP:121.217.103.xxx | 2012-11-02 21:41:09
Hi Matt,
As a 2 person party, we recently did this walk in mid August and it tooks us 2hrs and 10 minutes which included a stop to take in the views from time to time along the way....we left Wondabyne at 7.50 am and arrived at the Pindar Cave at 10am.

We didn't easily locate the trail to the waterfall so the only clues/tip I would give to others is that there are 2 tallish trees near each other on the right-hand -side of the cave as you face towards the cave & they are near the cave mouth and if you stand in the middle of the trees and face away from the cave mouth /trees you can see a large fallen log pointing in a north easterly ? direction so follow that log downwards to a small possibly dry? creek & cross over and walk a bit further downwards till you come to 2 large-ish? grass trees..push thru i.e. walk between the grass tress and the "hidden" track/path to the waterfall is on the other side of the grass trees. Hope this helps.
Paul M IP:121.217.103.xxx | 2012-11-02 21:44:33
Hi Matt,
Forgot to add...
Pindar Cave is at
0334933 / 6292647

Waterfall is at
0334703 / 6292981
Paul M IP:121.217.103.xxx | 2012-11-02 21:48:21
Hi Matt,
Apologies...I need to add a correction to my directions above to the waterfall.....
the large fallen log is pointing in a north westerly direction...not easterly.
Paul M IP:121.217.103.xxx | 2012-11-02 21:51:10
Hi Matt
One last comment.
We couldn't locate the track to leading down to the bottom / base of the waterfall...so if anyone can advise on that it would be appreciated

Cheers
Paul M IP:144.131.86.xxx | 2013-01-06 04:51:28
Hi Matt,
Did the Pindar Caves walk again this weekend.
Approx 2-3 hrs to the Cave with a long break 'cause it was hot on ther day else its a 2 hr walk in...
as an update...we went down to the waterfall.....................but because there had been no recent rain...its was dry...sad
But the good news is one of our party explore to the north of the waterfall and found a zig zag way down to the bottom the waterfall ( approx 100-200 metres north ) but we ran out of time and were not able to attempt to descend further pass the bottom of the waterfall ...Maybe next time
admin Super Administrator | 2013-01-06 22:15:51
Hi Paul
Well done - sounds like a fun time. I have heard of a faint track to the bootom of the fall - but yet to follow it myself - will need to get out there and check it out again.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt :)
Paul M IP:205.156.160.xxx | 2013-01-13 22:01:26
Hi Matt,
I also suspect there may be another passage way down but a lot further over to the left of the waterfall ie more north west ...which would then come into the gully from the left down a rill but well below the waterfall.
I only say that because I saw on the net some old comments by a SBW walker and they also seem to indicate they located the discontinued Ochre Pit on that same trip.
We would be interested to walk to and locate again that old Ochre Pit...so if anyone has any ideas as to what are the topographic map co-ordinates of that old Ochre Pit then I would be pleased to hear from them.

Cheers
Sam IP:60.240.185.xxx | 2013-05-19 05:57:03
We did this walk this weekend and had a fantastic time. For the most part the track was easy enough to follow, although overgrown. Definatly wear long sleeves/pants!. After Mt Pindar lookout it gets a little less obvious where to walk, but there are helpful markers. The trail to the 'waterfall' is very basic and we did lose it coming back up, having said that its a very easy trek anyway, just head for the ridge. It took us about 2.5 hours to get to the waterfall from Wondabyne, that was going fairly easy, and a bit under 2 hours return, but we were going fairly rapid. Can't wait to do an overnighter for this one, great spot and would definatly do it again.
rosetta IP:101.117.46.xxx | 2013-12-28 10:09:53
I lost after Mt Pindar Lookout. I went ahead of the big rock after turn right (from 4.97). There was a track very clear too. I knew it was wrong until I could not find a clear track. I returned to Mt Pindar Lookout. It's better to say turn right few steps then turn left down from the rock. I left a small stone & tried to make an arrow. But I'm not strong enough. Hope the next person do it & help the other people. I could not find the waterfall. I believed I walked on the correct track but I could not find any track after I passed the rock on the creek. The creek was on the right .
admin - re: Super Administrator | 2013-12-28 22:08:15
rosetta wrote:
I lost after Mt Pindar Lookout.

Hi Rosetta
Thanks for the feedback, sorry you got lost. This walk is an off track walk, the track is unclear and non-existent in places, it is intended for people with navigation experience. I have made a few small tweaks to the notes to try to make this clearer, but it sounds like a new track has formed near the lookout so I will need to re-visit the area to update the notes. Finding the water fall is tricky, again there is no track. The issue with describing the route in full details is that a track will form in an area NPWS does not support track maintenance. As a general rule I would discourage people moving rocks to mark a route, although it seems helpful for people following you, it is generally best to let people find it as you did. Thanks again for the feedback, I hope you enjoyed the walk.
Matt :)
Laura - ALSO got lost IP:203.5.104.xxx | 2014-06-27 02:41:47
I attempted this trail in January, and also got lost, despite spending a couple of hours trying to find my way to the cave (I wrote about it here: http://www.explaura.net/2014/01/the-cave-mentality/).
admin - re: ALSO got lost Super Administrator | 2014-06-27 03:18:56
Laura wrote:
I attempted this trail in January, and also got lost, despite spending a couple of hours trying to find my way to the cave (I wrote about it here: http://www.explaura.net/2014/01/the-cave-mentality/).

Hi Laura
Thanks for the feedback, sorry you did not find the cave. It seems from your blog that you where following maps and notes from other websites?? I have graded this walk as a 5/6 and suggest that navigation skills are required for the reasons you discovered. The track is not clear, it is not formal nor maintained. I hope you keep up the walking and find many more places to enjoy.
Matt :)
Laura - re: re: ALSO got lost IP:203.5.104.xxx | 2014-07-06 22:57:23
admin wrote:
Laura wrote:
I attempted this trail in January, and also got lost, despite spending a couple of hours trying to find my way to the cave (I wrote about it here: http://www.explaura.net/2014/01/the-cave-mentality/).

Hi Laura
Thanks for the feedback, sorry you did not find the cave. It seems from your blog that you where following maps and notes from other websites?? I have graded this walk as a 5/6 and suggest that navigation skills are required for the reasons you discovered. The track is not clear, it is not formal nor maintained. I hope you keep up the walking and find many more places to enjoy.
Matt :)



Yes, but I've definitely switched to using your site instead now! I've done LOTS of hiking/navigation before, but I just couldn't find a way to the cave. Perhaps it'll be less woolly toward the end of winter? (Though seems a bit unlikely!)
Boaz - May walk IP:60.242.18.xxx | 2015-05-27 10:47:09
On the 23rd May 2015 I went back to Pindar after heavy rainfall on the Friday and the night between.

The fire trail between the end of the climb and the turnoff was quite muddy.

The track was full of bird song and flowers, orange bottle brush and others.

The track before the water hole was very wet with lots of water.

Lots of water was dripping from the top of the cave.

If you walk around the cave to the right, climb up and look at a crevice between the rock you will see a dead kangaroo or wallaby or the bones left of it. The poor animal was very fresh and got stuck there.

It was very cold at night
Swannie - Twice this winter IP:64.104.249.xxx | 2015-08-10 05:48:04
Visited twice this winter. Awesome awesome place.

As of August 2015 there are some yellow marks on the tracks, and occasional cairn marking entry/exit points to rock clearings. Also the occasional ties to trees.

The track is in an OK condition, currently fairly obvious from Pindar lookouts, and well worn!

There are small mammals that will visit the cave at night. Keep food away from the ground! (None of us could identify the tracks, and none took photos).

The small waterfall was still there. Some of our group followed down stream to the larger impassable waterfall, which was somewhat flowing.

At the time of writing, the majority of nearby dead wood has been collected. Some larger trunks of fallen trees are available, but have a fair degree of rot. There are two well used fire pits in the cave. However the larger one would benefit from a cleaning, as there is a lot of rubbish present (partially melted metal and glass).

The experienced hikers in the groups I visited with, discounting time at the lookout completed the outbound leg in just over 2 hours, and the return leg a little faster.
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